Timothy Thrapp - three interviews
This article focuses on extracting what this editor considers "useful information" out of the three interviews conducted by Jeane Manning (2005), Water Fuel Museum (2007), and Stefan Hartmann (2008), and the three videos Wits2014 have posted on YouTube. We sincerely hope that this increases our comprehension of the works of Thrapp/WITTS. During both of the voice interviews, Timothy Thrapp and the Kentucky Water Fuel Museum (BlogTalkRadio) and Stefan Hartmann, the PayPal and email addresses have been mentioned. The PayPal address for donations towards the cause of WITTS/R&D/massproduction is wits2011@yahoo.com, and the contact address is wits2014@yahoo.com. It would be well advised that further interviews do not spend more than a minute in dispersing these email addresses.
Excerpts from the Jeane Manning interview/article of Timothy Thrapp (2005):
"Timothy Thrapp majored in physics and studied mathematics, but everything in science fascinated him." "He found what he'd been looking for when he heard Bruce DePalma on a 1988 radio show. DePalma was a Harvard-trained physicist and MIT lecturer whose experiments convinced him that he could build a machine to tap into the background energy of the universe, for usable electricity."
"Hearing a Ph.D. scientist talk about the possibility of having a machine able to put out more power than it took to run it clicked with something in Thrapp's heart, despite having been taught over and over that it's impossible." "Thrapp and his first partner, an electrical engineer with a doctorate from MIT, formed a company to work on alternative energy and pollution remediation technologies." "Their team built about 40 prototypes before getting to their first energy device that worked. They had only worked on it six months and put less than a half a million dollars into it." "What was the first discovery like? His voice reflects the excitement of that time."
""Batteries charged and kept going up. If you didn't load it, it would overcharge and ruin the batteries. Voltage kept going up, you turn it off and check the voltage and, yeah, it's going higher!" "The first time we got over-unity (more power out of a machine than the apparent input), we took it to the inventor's club 40 miles away."" "Over the years their company World Improvement Technologies sold a few pollution-remediation technologies and one toy "perpetual motion type gravity motor"" "Now we get to the extraordinary claims -- that the company has for sale 88 variations of what they call alternative energy technologies." ""Thirty-two of them are in what we call Stage 3, which is the same as Radiant Energy (a term used by Nikola Tesla and T.H. Moray), or cosmic energy."" "Thrapp says the company has big gravity motors for sale too -- eight variations. And eight or ten different inertial drive motors. Some of them produce horsepower as well as thrust. An independent engineer whom I know, graduate of a prestigious technical university, recently gave me an impressive testimonial that what World Improvement Technologies has is real." "Thrapp says demonstrations have been videotaped. Unfortunately for his company, the tape that's floating around in the wider community, videotaped by a man outside the company, is the only one Thrapp didn't approve for circulation. He says it's the only tape in which the company doesn't show the inner workings of the invention." "Timothy Thrapp wants you to know one of his company's goals in particular -- to figure out a simple but powerful gravity motor, for which the company can give away plans." ""We have eight (gravity motor) models that work; four of them are basically toys that don't produce much horsepower no matter how big you make them. The other four are useful, but they're not simple. To reach the goal, we may have to build maybe 20 or 30 more models. Hopefully someone will make a donation of $100,000 or something like that, to get us to the goal." "It's got to be so the average person with an IQ of 100 or above can build it, and I really believe in my heart that we can do that with gravity motors.""
"I believe he'd have a better chance with thousands of ordinary donors than with super-wealthy philanthropists whose highly paid advisors protect their jobs by not rocking the boat." "World Improvement Technologies (WITs) doesn't seem to have a website, but the allied organization World Improvement Through The Spirit ministry, whose mission includes "waking people up to reality and a better world", has http://www.WITTs.ws (online waybackmachine possible archive of WITTs.ws), with a mailing address. Thrapp is available to speak to church groups."
Excerpts from the Water Fuel Museum interview of Timothy Thrapp (2007):
Moved to Florida from Alaska at 15 years of age.
"We need more people to get involved in these types of things, these types of endeavours, that is why I appreciate your show, it helps inspire the type of thinking and the type of doing, so that's all very good."
"We do volunteer in schools, I've given probably two or three hundred different demos in schools over the years, so, once a month, even twice a month sometimes I'll go to a school, if they invite me, and I'll give a demonstration - usually on energy."
"There are, I can say there are things beginning to happen in higher levels of schooling, in colleges, around the world there have been a number of colleges that have verified different overunity experiments that we've been promoting for close to 20 years, and one of them, i'll give a specific here, one of the demonstrations is on the transmitting of electrical energy, it can be done, and can be received in excess of what you sent out from the transmitter." "Tesla was one of the early pioneers in this field, another one, before Tesla was Stubblefield, Nathan Stubblefield." "There was also Keely, Keely was before Tesla, John Worrell Keely." "Keely definitely worked with electricity - a lot of people don't understand, because, they see spheres and so on and so forth, if you look at our videos, you'll see spheres and so on and so forth, but it's, it's all electricity, in that, it's energy that travels through wires, and if you pull it apart while it's conducting, you usually get an arc, if you define electricity in those terms."
"If you define electricity strictly as electron flow, then, these guys knew how to do electron flow, and they were working with it, but that's not their primary energy. When you tap the dominant or radiant energy, it's not electron flow in the ordinary sense by any means. There's many types of subatomic particles." "There's evidence that Tesla knew about Stubblefield, he didn't mention him by name, but he mentioned people doing work with earth batteries, and the earth batteries lasting way longer than they should, and he said, this is, again, he said, this is not ordinary electricity, these people are, you know, doing something more advanced, so he would have been referring to Stubblefield."
"Keely and Tesla, in their writings, both referred to eachother in a similar manner, without mentioning any names, but mentioning the work they were credited with, I forget the exact quotes, I'd have to think about it for a little bit."
Can you elaborate on the two parabolic mirrors that created heat in the home?
"Yeah, if you've got a high voltage high frequency source, and you know how to tune that, there's a lot of adjustments, minute adjustments necessary to get it to produce what we call the dominant flow, it's actually a balanced pole or dipolar or tripolar, three types of dominant electricity, balanced, when you get them all flowing properly in your system, this is what Stubblefield knew how to do.." (22minutes into the interview - 7 minutes of speech that has not been transcribed here, listen to the radiointerview itself)
(30:30) So here's my question, what is the possibility of creating or marketing a home heating device such as you described here?
"We have been endeavouring to market different home heating devices, we have one that is a sphere, closer related to Keely's work, basically will heat a couple of gallons of water in a couple of minutes, with just a couple of watts, it'll heat it from room temperature to all the way to boiling."
It heats water from the inside of the sphere? You put water in it and..?
"You put water inside the sphere, and you can have, you know, your tubes, to circulate your water, if you want to use it as a home heating device, you could either blow a fan directly across the sphere, and heat the home that way, or you could run it through a radiator for baseboard heating, what we call nowadays, baseboard hotwater heating, and, that's all, there's many ways to do this, and this is a device, a technology that we'd like to implement, and so, we've been giving demonstrations on these types of things for, 20, about twenty years basically."
"We have the home heaters, we have the energy systems, we can call it radiant energy, or dominant energy, whatever you like, there's solid state, there's mechanical, we have various videos, we've been, World Improvement Through the Spirit ministries has been an active ministry in the field of energy, propulsion and pollution remediation for about 25 years, so we have many videos."
(on the forthcoming website):
"The website will be mainly for promoting the mileage boosters for cars, something that people can use right now. Most of us are tired of paying high prices for fuel at the gas pump. And so, we've been offering, for about twenty years now, we've been offering, what's called hydroxy boosters, which you've discussed that with a number of your guests on your shows, and, we offer those, and we also offer what's called a radiant energy booster, what that does, is, instead of having to add water, you simply install it once, and, it's somewhat a passive device, it's easier to install, and it goes as a kit, you also pour an oil-additive into your oil, and those two things together, generally increase your mileage 10-30%." "The, what the radiant energy device does, you wrap that around your fuel lines, and that basically adds radiant energy to the fuel - you could say it ionizes the fuel if you want to, but that's not exactly correct." "It's the closest thing, as far as radio terminology, it's the closest thing you could say, but there's many kinds of ionization, and there's many kinds of ions, and they don't all work the same on solids, as you might be led to believe, so, ionization of fuel is the closest terminology what we have in regular scientific lingo, basically as to what this thing does."
(38min) (on Antoine Priore)
"There's many types of energy, there's over twenty-seven types of electrical energy, that I know of, and I haven't learnt all, everything about all of them, and I think there's more to learn, in other words, there might be fourty types of electrical energy, that I don't know about yet, it's possible. So basically, your cells actually harmonize with certain types of electrical energy, or they can become energized, with certain types of electrical energy, and, these energies can exist in the form of fields or they can exist in the form of flows. Almost all of the different types, the twenty-seven types that I know of, can either exist as a field or as a flow. And the fields will do certain things to your body, and the flows will do certain things to your body. So basically if you energize the cells, you wind up repairing the telemarains(? garbled) which is the ends of the DNA strands and RNA strands, and all those, that wind up, that's what winds up making problems in your body as you get older, your cells don't really reproduce as well as they should, and usually you can relate that back to the telemarays(?), so what we found was that cells would start healing and becoming more vibrant, and reproducing much more perfect examples of what they should have been in the first place..." (read more from the Tom Bearden website on Antoine Priore)
42:45 Of course, the purpose of the program is to discuss alternative energy, as opposed to alternative health, but it's all seemingly related. A lot of the resonant type of theories seems to apply to equally healing sick as well as to produce free energy.
46:43 Speaking of water, why don't we use the remaining, we have about thirteen minutes remaining, why don't we talk about water cars, since it is the thrust of the museum and this program, you have had quite a bit of experience with using water as fuel. When did your interest in that begin.
"Probably about 1992, so that's been about 15 years ago."
Were you living in Ohio at the time?
"No. I lived in Alaska most of my life, up until probably four or five years ago."
Ok, so you were in Alaska and what got you thinking about water as fuel?
"We were doing research and development on everything, we had over fifty guys working full time, well, some of them women, I say guys, some of them women, everybody again, almost everybody was volunteering, but the, we were building three and testing three machines a day, in other words, there might be twenty machines in the works at all times, twenty or thirty.. and one of the guys decided, said, hey, I've heard of people running cars on water, let's see if it's doable, and so we started doing the research, which is the first part of the chain, to see what's been done and if there's any useful information out there, and, at that point we'd already known about radiant energy, and, we'd seen a number of things, I'll give you one example that I've seen, I was working on what we call a delay-line motor, which is an overunity motor, and I remember somebody handing me a cold drink and a little drop of water came off the outside of the drink, you know, I think it was a soda pop or something, but, a little drop of water came off and landed on the commutator, and, instantly a puff of steam came off the commutator, instantly, and yet I know that there was less than, less than maybe one milliamp flowing into that commutator, so normally you wouldn't get steam instantly, with one milliamp, so that was one of the things I'd seen previously, maybe five years earlier, that kinda stuck in my mind. And, so, (garbled) suggested running cars on water, I immediately figured it was totally doable, and so we started working on it. Within six months, we had an engine running on water."
And what type of electrolyzer were you using?
"On the first one it was a large electrolyzer with multiple plates that had approximately sixty plates, and it was about a hundred volts DC input into that, and, pulsated DC, I should add, with an RF envelope on top of the DC, and, the, RF was not in the regular energy range, it was in what we call dominant again, dominant energy fields, so there were fields and flows stationary in the machine, stationary fields and flows really, dominant energy, and basically that's what you need to, electrolyze water, in my opinion, there are probably other ways to do it, that I'm not familiar with, but that's one."
Ok, and this is along the lines of a Bob Boyce type?
"Yeah, I would say the closest to what we, what people talk about nowadays would be Bob's, yeah, Bob's device. He's, he's, him and I have talked a number of times, and he understands about the different types of energy fields and so on and so forth, and, he even mentioned in his literature now, the need of getting the flows right and the fields right, and so on.
So in other words, the most recent commentary on his type of a device, is that you are tapping into radiant energy..or?
"Yes. Radiant energy is abundant in nature, some people call it the ether field. It's quite abundant, it's everywhere, as far as we know, and, it's, it can be harnessed into electrical-like energy. Initially it's not, initially it's sort of a field, sort of like invisible clouds. (50:44) Wilhelm Reich wrote about orgone, and that's basically what the dominant energy is in it's natural state here on this planet. It's, it's like clouds, three different types of clouds, which can mix in different ways, and Reich called it orgone energy, and he said there's three different kinds, the difference would be, he thought that two of the kinds were always bad and one of the kinds was always good, and the difference would be that we've proven in our work that all three kinds can be quite beneficial if they are in the right place at the right time, and, all three kinds can be polluting or non-beneficial if they get mixed with the wrong kinds of energies or if they're in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Yeah, well, maybe we can continue to talk about one person who has been a great mystery for people of the world who would like to know more about, and that's Daniel Dingel. I understand that you have travelled to the Philippines on a number of occasions, and that you have, had the acquaintance of mr. Dingel and you are familiar with his work..
"Yes I am. He is a fine man, a hard worker, he's got a kind of a large ego, but we love him anyway, and.. I'm sure Daniel said the same thing about me."
So in other words, I think you're trying to help people appreciate that it isn't always easy to get information out of mr. Dingel.
"Yeah, he's, he is, he has his own characteristics and his own habits and so on and so forth.."
But he is an engineer, right.. He's worked as an engineer during his life..
"He, like me, started at a very young age, working fulltime, and, he's developed a huge number of useful inventions and technologies, and one of them is the water-fuelled car. He demonstrated that in the United States, he had an oil-company backing him, I think it was in the 70s or 80s.."
He actually demoed his water-car in the U.S.?!?
"And he had oil-company backing, and he got like the last page - just to show you how the newspapers are - he got the last page on the newspaper, but he did send me the clipping, and it was something like New York Times or something, you know, it was a major newspaper in the United States.."
So is there some documentation of his having been in the U.S. for demonstration..
"AND, and, not only was he in the U.S. but he drove that car from, a very long distance, basically across the United States, I think from Michigan to, either to Florida or to, maybe the wild west, like California, but a long distance, two thousand miles or so, and they carefully monitored, it said right in the newspaper article, carefully monitored fuel consumption, and he only used like five gallons of diesel, some piddly-little amount, to drive a car two thousand miles, and the rest is water basically.
Oh, so he was actually boosting, he was boosting petroleum..
"His system uses, in my expert opinion, I hope he doesn't mind I give away a few little things about his system, I don't think he does, otherwise I won't do it, but, his system actually uses diesel to start, they call it petrol over there, to start the engine..
Now, his is a gasoline engine, a Toyota, right? Are we talking about the same car?
"If it's the one, yeah I think its a Toyota, ..."
The Toyota (garbled), a red one?
"Yeah, I think it's a red-painted Corolla, the one, he has had a couple of different cars over the years, and I've seen more than one car, so I wanna try and keep it as straight as i can."
Well, I'm referring to the one viewable online in a video that was made about ten years ago.
"Well, I haven't had a chance to look at that video so I can't tell you but I probably have seen that car, cos i've " -
Are you saying that he uses diesel fuel in a gasoline car?
"He uses, I believe it's diesel, I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain it's diesel to start it up, and once the engine is warm, even sooner than it starts, you can start adding water, which, again, this is, electrolyzed water, so you could call it hydroxy or Brown's gas or whatever you want to call it, it's.. water in its gaseous state, and, he starts adding that to the burn, and that, as long as you don't add too much, the engine will go ahead and perform normally, and once it gets up to operating temperature, you can, he switches to a hundred percent, at least he claims, and it looks like he actually does, switch to 100% water at that point. And so, yeah, his technology is good and for real, and.."
In other words, the car does perform as well or better than it would on the regular fossil fuel, using water, but it can't work in a cold state, is that what you are saying?
"It can work in cold state, but his doesn't. His car does not work in a cold state. We've built some that do, but his, his is built, and he's, I'm sure he's built some that are new too, it's a lot more complicated to get it to work.. in a cold state.."
Now, you are claiming, that you have replicated his technology in addition to the earlier Bob Boyce style thing?
"Ahhm, we did not replicate his technology, but we've worked on a number of technologies that are similar."
And had them working running a vehicle.
"Yes. Working running vehicle. In fact, his technology is not that much different from Bob Boyce's. Both of them use radiant energy. What Daniel has done, over there, Daniel Dingel, is, is a form of radiant energy. There's many..."
Is he using (garbled) .. of the superimposed ..waveforms in addition to DC, is that the idea, similar to Bob's, or?
"Ah yeah, there's similarities to that.. Basically when I say radiant energy, I'm talking about, using the other 26 different kinds of electricity besides electron flow, and, you have to establish fields and establish flows, once you do that, that's what we categorize as radiant energy. And there's many ways to do that, in other words, you can use just any three of those, any three of the dominant energy, like I said, there's about 26 of them, any three of the dominant energies, and establish fields and establish flows, and you can do it. And so, therefore you can use a large number of different components. Some cases you might use a toroid, other cases you might use a capacitor, so there's a large number... And other cases you might use a resistor, and.. and I don't wanna make people misunderstand me now, it's, when I say a capacitor, a conductor, a resistor, it's.. you need a host of other devices, but those might be the window, or the antenna, or the receiver, for the receiving, or the beginning of getting dominant energy into your system, basically."
Very interesting. Well, we've come to the end of our hour, and I'm looking forward to us having another program together, because there is a lot more to discuss, I thank you for being our guest today, and I'm goin to post the information for people to contact you, on the webpage.
"Okay, well, thank you, it's been my pleasure, and again, I really appreciate what you're doing, and I want to encourage all the listeners, to, listen in, and it's good work that you're doing, these kinds of things need to be supported."
Well Timothy, thank you for joining us, and we look forward to doing another show in the near future.
"Okay, sounds good."
Take care, byebye!
OverUnity.com interview in 2008:
(10:10) "Right now, in this interview, we're gonna give away a little bit of technical information, and we've posted the videos, so we are giving, and we're believing God that we will be given in return, and then we'll be able to give back at the end by making these things and mass-producing them."
Now to the technical questions, so, you show this self-running 900watts motor, and the delay-line motors, also self-running, and the water-heater which is also very interesting device, and, maybe, ahm, on which device you want to comment some technical in the insider, ahm, do you, what's your favourite device, what device could we talk about
"Well, we could talk about any of them, they all work, on a, well, they don't all work, most of them work on advanced principles, what we call dominant energy. Keely named this way back in the 1870s, before that it was named different things, the ether and so on, but, basically they all work on that principle, that's, the principle basically is that there is a tremendous amount of energy present in space, and, Einstein and, the other man that I can't remember his name, back in about 1922 or 1923, they formulated the branch called quantum physics, and quantum physics recognizes, that if you study that in college or whatever, you know, just get a book on it and study it, you'll see that quantum physics recognizes a tremendous amount of energy in every cubic foot of space, and it's in the order of hundred megawatts or some crazy thing like that, way up to... And so, there's the energy they're trying to say in quantum physics it's there, but they don't know how to harness it, and some people say it can't be harnessed, and, but that's like saying you have a glass of water and you can't drink it.. If you have a glass of water you can drink it.. So.. It's that simple, somebody can drink it."
Okay, then maybe, let's call it dormant energy, or zero point energy or whatever, so, you are tapping this with your devices and, especially your 900-watt self-running motor, do you have some kind of coils and magnets there, in your device, I have seen it in the video, you have some kind of, motor, or generator coupled to eachother, and, and, you have a loop, feedback-loop, somehow, via the electricity that is generated, so that the drive motor has enough power to drive the generator, and, do you have some special anti-Lenz law circuit over there, so you don't wreck the motor down of the generator, that's producing all this current, or how does it work?
. "Yeah, (garbled) When you tap the dominant energy, you will get, the Lenz-law can disappear, because you are calling in extra energy, matter of fact, generators and motors, when you get them over 100% efficiency, let's say in the 150 or 200% efficiency range, either generator or motor, it's easy, let's say it's a generator, and you get it 200% efficient, often it will start motoring itself, so often when you get extra energy coming into your circuit, it starts behaving both as a motor and a generator, and so yeah, Lenz law is still in there, but it's not, it's not as, it's not noticeable, I'll put it that way. It's still in, but it's not noticeable because there's extra energy coming into the circuit. It's, and those, the machines have to be designed where they can, generally speaking, they have to be designed where they can operate both as a motor and as a generator, or you might (garble) it yourself, with the extra energy, not being able to utilize it correctly, or whatever."
I see. So, when you draw current from your generator, to light the bulbs, that you have shown, then, do we have some special pickup coils, which, which don't wreck down the generator mechanically, or, or, why doesn't the load show up in your generator?
"Yeah, there's a, before, when you are first building this, you're first working on it, until you get it tuned (garbled - equally?) there's a lot of tuning to get the dominant energy established. there's three different primary dominant energy fields, and each of them has to be established correctly in the circuit, and each of the flows, there's three different primary flows also, and then there's three different neutrals also. and the three primaries can be mixed in a number of ways, and the neutrals, to give you an infinite number of, almost an infinite number of different effects, or different flavours of, of your system. The dominant energy not only produces energy, but it's the key toward everything, all the advanced sciences, which include antigravity, which is actually a type of ion propulsion, although it's not ions, so maybe that's the wrong terminology, subatomic propulsion, energy propulsion, if you want to take it that way. Also, teleportation, and so on. All that, in these fields, these center fields, that reflect matter at a distance, those are all (garbled) to dominant energy, depending on how you mix it, how your flows are, what the vibrational frequencies are, and what, how much of each one you have. you do need all three to keep it balanced, in my experience, we've tried it, a number of times, just to, just the dominant, just the polar, excuse me, the one that brings in the power, that's what we call polar, and if you, if you don't, if you just use the polar, it'll, in my experience, it will burn up everytime, within a week or two weeks, you've got to balance it out with the other two types of energy, and, yeah, that's where the dipolar or tripolar (derpolar?) comes in."
Ahm, maybe we can talk about this other water-heating device, which was also, very genious device, do you work some, how, on, cavitation, you use also some kind of piezoelectric devices to resonate the water, with special frequencies, or how do you get so low a power input...
"Yeah, basically, if you vibrate water correctly with the right kind of frequencies and the right kind of energies, you can get, way in extra of normal heat. It is called ultrasonic, because it uses frequencies above the audio range, so we don't hear anything going on, but, the effect is definitely noticeable and definitely overunity, and we're not the only ones that have done that, there's been, since we posted the video, there's been about five different people that sent us a link to, saying, hey, you're doing the same thing as this guy, and, I can't remember who the other guy is, I think he's from Australia or New Zealand, if I remember correctly, I could be wrong, and ...."
(at 22 minutes, Stefan Hartmann starts overriding and speaking over Timothy Thrapp, and it disintegrates into Hartmann's lazy monologue. About Peter Davey.)
"Keely also did a, Keely also did a lot with spheres and hemispheres, and shapes of different kinds, and spheres, what's nice about spheres is that they always produce en-harmonic energy, and once you produce the enharmonic in a perfect way, for which a sphere is the perfect device for that, that I know of, then it's easy to match that with the harmonic, and that's when you get, basically the dominant. Dominant, is for all the practical purposes, unlimited in power. We've already done, we've already done tests for ourselves, in excess of, behind the megawatt range, I'll put it that way. If you tell everybody everything, there's a lot of people that just don't believe it, so better not say too much, but in the megawatt range, we've already done tests.. The, basically the power appears to be, for all intents and purposes, only limited by the capability of your parts, basically, of your wire, and your diodes, and your resistors and transistors, and your delay-lines and so on, that's - that's what, the capability of those parts and voltage and amperage is what limits the amount of power you can pull in."
"Basically, there is a center probe, in the sphere, which, the ball is called a sphere, a stainless steel sphere, and there's a center probe there that goes in, and it sets up a set of vibrations between the center probe and the outer sphere, and if you get the vibrations correct, there is a device on the outside that vibrates as well, and if you get to, basically the vibrations correct, you can heat water with very little energy, and also you can turn it into steam, and get it to boil, if the device is made properly, you can, you know run steam engines, you can run ships. And it could be close-looped, we have close-looped those devices, simplest way, is, number of names for it, but thermal-junction or a "Peltier-cell" (?), those type of devices, they take a heat-differential and turn it into electricity, and that's the simplest way to close-loop those devices. And, we have demonstrated it that way a few times, it's.. The problem you run into when you're demonstrating stuff with no power, no battery, nothing, to people. Unless they've seen it work first with the battery, and understand it a little bit, if you just show them the close-loop system with no battery, they think for sure it's gotta be some sort of magic trick, or something, and, so, it's best to show it with a battery, get them understanding that. And the batteries do help, it does help keep everything stable, batteries can absorb incoming energy pretty well, capacitors do a better job, and, so there are useful purposes, I believe when these are mass-produced there will be a battery in the circuit, but it will stay charged all of the time, and maybe some sort of a ultra-cap or capacitor-battery, but, there will be something to that effect, maybe related to a similar concept, of the battery out of the hood of a car, it stays charged, except for when you're starting the car, and it would be a similar concept, if the battery in these systems would stay charged, except for maybe when you initially turn it on, just for a second, something to that effect.
Maybe we can talk a bit about your delay-line device, because I have studied for over twenty years now the Newman motor, that looks pretty similar to these, and, you have some kind of, special big coil, where you said you have five different coil windings on there, and then you can see a rotating commutator there, by the way, is the rotating commutator, is that powered by a small motor which couldn't be seen in the video, or how was it powered, this commutator?
"Yeah, basically, the commutator is powered by the main motor-generator, on that device, the device is both a motor and a generator, so it produces both mechanical and electrical power at the same time, and, you can see that because the lights are lit, and also you see, in the video you see a place where I put my hand on the shaft, and it slows down, (dropout) on mechanical energy, coming off of it, as friction, but you see that there is both available, but you see when you go over maybe a 150% to 200% efficiency, it's very common for your motor to become a generator or for your generator to become a motor, it's actually, that has to be looked at and understood, some of (cut) has to understand both motors and generators in order to succesfully get that to run right, because otherwise you'll be burning things up, if you don't, if you don't understand how to make a device function both ways simultaneously, but that gives a thumbnail on it, it's, it is, there is five inductors, they are tied together in different ways, hooked together in different ways, and, you mentioned the Newman motor, I looked that up, you mentioned that before we talked, and, I looked that up, it looks to me that like he uses a single inductor, at least I didn't see any of them where there were multiple inductors wrapped over eachother, so it does have a similarity in that they are both motor-generators, assuming his device actually functions overunity, which I guess it does, there's a number of people that say it does, they're both motor-generators, in other words, motors and generators at the same time, but I think that they both use inductors and magnets, but that's where the similarity stops. And we've built a number of them without magnets as well, where the magnets are, without permanent magnets, there's always magnetism involved, but, or electromagnetism involved if you want to put it that way, but, we've built a number without magnets, as well."
I see. Do you have, do you use special pipe layout coils, or pipe inductor coils, do you have inside also magnets, or is there something rotating inside, or maybe a static permanent magnet, or, do you have just the motor on the shop...
There's a motor, on that small delay-line, that was built, that small delay-line motor-generator that was built (drop) and roughly twenty years ago, give or take a year, that one produced, that one has a magnet, a permanent magnet inside that rotates, as it's running, and, that's basically, a question is, is there a magnet in there, is that your question?
Ah, no, the question was, is there a magnet inside the special coil, or is there...
There's a magnet, yes, there is a magnet inside, and there are (dropouts) special coils, over the outside, that's what makes up the stator, if you want to say it that way, the five special ones, the rotor is, the rotor is a permanent magnet.
I, ahm, but, but, the the, the commutator is a bit, maybe, 50 centimeters right to the coil, so, so there must be some kind of motor behind the commutator thing, is it a different motor?
"I'm not sure which video, I'm not sure which video, we've made so many videos that I'd have to a closer look at the one that has been posted, but if it's the video I think it is, there's a belt, and if its the video I think, - (garbled) - some of them use, (dropouts) more sonic(electronic?) forces, to connect the commutator to the rotor, but if it's the video I think it is, there's a belt that goes from the rotor to the commutator shaft, and, it's, I'll double-check that after we stop, but I'm pretty sure that's the video that's been posted, and, yeah, if you take a close look, there should be a ten (black?) (garbled) belt that goes from the rotor to the commutator shaft,"
Okay, I'll have to look -- Because it looked like, like you have, at first you have a battery pack, which was near this commutator thing, at the center, and then, the battery was charging up, and then you disconnected the battery, and, then it ran on itself, and more left in the scene you had, the special coil, laying around, with the big, fluorescent bulb blinking in the background, and you said you had two big high-voltage capacitors also connected, so it was a bit mysterious what you just did there, but it seemed to run itself, and, also when you grabbed the shaft of the commutator, it did not slow down, that was pretty amazing, yeah.
"Yeah, I'm pretty sure, if the right one got posted, well, maybe they're all up in there -- I'll go look at it -- but I don't remember, if its the one I was thinking of, that got posted, those large capacitors should not have been in that circuit, it maybe one of the, (laughs) I'm sorry that I'm drawing blanks on this, I'll have to look at the video again. We've done so many machines over the years, so many machines, we've probably nearly built ten thousand, maybe twenty thousand, thirty thousand machines over the years, and we've taken videos on maybe 10% of those, and that's a huge number, even two or three thousand videos is a huge amount of videos to keep a track of, and, you know, we've been hesitant to release them to the public, until now, finally the economic system is changed, the political system is changed, where it is in favourable to alternative energy, in the past, we've been working on this for many many years, and in the past, everytime we say a little bit to anybody, we get extreme opposition from the people in power, oil-companies running the government, basically. But now it's looking much better, this time everything is going smooth, people are, people are willing to help, and if everybody does their part, if people pray about it, God will move the right people's hearts, people will, I do believe people will make the donations, and things will happen, and we'll be able to build the factory and get these things mass-produced."
(Stefan Hartmann winds down the interview)
P.S. If you would like the .sfl (soundforge) file of the Kentucky Water Fuel Museum interview mp3, please mail esaruoho@gmail.com. It is just a simple list of loop-points with some small descriptions.
Sources:
* Atlantis Rising #52 - "Report From The Front - Tracking the News of the Coming Energy Revolution - Breakthrough Inventions & Divine Intervention" - July/August 2005
* Kentucky Water Fuel Museum interview, September 29th, 2007
* Overunity.com interview, April 2008?
Edited on 27th, 28th and 29th of June 2008 at MERLib.